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		By: jameshardy		</title>
		<link>https://churchabuse.uk/2025/05/16/oh-dear-here-we-go-again/#comment-2015</link>

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					<description><![CDATA[DAVID McCLAY (Anglican Bishop of Down and Dromore) helps me better understand toxic male leadership. He cynically covered up savagely violent ill-treatment of two out of five 2015-2016 Anglican trainees in my New Wine course year group.

A New Wine tutor accused us of sexual misconduct in foul language. The first incident saw a prof-medic-teacher all witness a student (a middle-aged businessman/farmer) cry for ages in my living room. The shocked and shaking man described feeling accused of adultery, and told “Any of us might fancy a change of breasts”.

The prof and I were astounded, and wondered if it could really be true. Just weeks later, however, the same New Wine tutor accused me of sexual misconduct (with the professor). David McClay has failed to protect the victims and deliver justice, even in the face of the most compelling evidence of savage bullying and harassment.

The professor-teacher-medic-farmer, all faithful communicant Anglicans, left Down and Dromore Diocese in disgust. KRWLAW (a Belfast legal firm) also express concerns relating to David McClay in an online post: ‘Neely abuse: Church of Ireland Bishop ‘apologises’ for unnamed rector – ignores Belfast-Tipperary transfer’. Can David McClay never accept the need to address savage Anglican bullying-harassment-abuse and its cover up?

Multiple Belfast locals have now drawn my attention to the acute and sinister disappearance of yet another ex-New Wine student. ‘Olive Tree Media’ posted this 12 mins YouTube film on 30.1.22:-‘Karl Faase interviews Joe Turner for Jesus the Game Changer Season 2’-.

But was Joe Turner long vanished, from the parish website and Facebook pages, when this promotional film (gushing with positive emotion) was posted? And can David McClay stand over the opening image sequence, featuring hooded men in balaclavas with armalites? It looks more like a Hamas film than a promotional film about Church of Ireland mission!

Should Bishop David McClay be asked to retire and resign? That’s a question I am posing for Archbishop John McDowell, Irish Anglican Primate. There’s also a problem for the Irish Primate himself, if he cares to follow Church news. The Welsh and English Primates have both had to acutely depart recently in disgrace. Today’s Anglicans are much less tolerant of toxic masculinity, or bullying-harassment-abuse cover ups by Bishop Clay-Foot &#038; Co.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DAVID McCLAY (Anglican Bishop of Down and Dromore) helps me better understand toxic male leadership. He cynically covered up savagely violent ill-treatment of two out of five 2015-2016 Anglican trainees in my New Wine course year group.</p>
<p>A New Wine tutor accused us of sexual misconduct in foul language. The first incident saw a prof-medic-teacher all witness a student (a middle-aged businessman/farmer) cry for ages in my living room. The shocked and shaking man described feeling accused of adultery, and told “Any of us might fancy a change of breasts”.</p>
<p>The prof and I were astounded, and wondered if it could really be true. Just weeks later, however, the same New Wine tutor accused me of sexual misconduct (with the professor). David McClay has failed to protect the victims and deliver justice, even in the face of the most compelling evidence of savage bullying and harassment.</p>
<p>The professor-teacher-medic-farmer, all faithful communicant Anglicans, left Down and Dromore Diocese in disgust. KRWLAW (a Belfast legal firm) also express concerns relating to David McClay in an online post: ‘Neely abuse: Church of Ireland Bishop ‘apologises’ for unnamed rector – ignores Belfast-Tipperary transfer’. Can David McClay never accept the need to address savage Anglican bullying-harassment-abuse and its cover up?</p>
<p>Multiple Belfast locals have now drawn my attention to the acute and sinister disappearance of yet another ex-New Wine student. ‘Olive Tree Media’ posted this 12 mins YouTube film on 30.1.22:-‘Karl Faase interviews Joe Turner for Jesus the Game Changer Season 2’-.</p>
<p>But was Joe Turner long vanished, from the parish website and Facebook pages, when this promotional film (gushing with positive emotion) was posted? And can David McClay stand over the opening image sequence, featuring hooded men in balaclavas with armalites? It looks more like a Hamas film than a promotional film about Church of Ireland mission!</p>
<p>Should Bishop David McClay be asked to retire and resign? That’s a question I am posing for Archbishop John McDowell, Irish Anglican Primate. There’s also a problem for the Irish Primate himself, if he cares to follow Church news. The Welsh and English Primates have both had to acutely depart recently in disgrace. Today’s Anglicans are much less tolerant of toxic masculinity, or bullying-harassment-abuse cover ups by Bishop Clay-Foot &amp; Co.</p>
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		By: jameshardy		</title>
		<link>https://churchabuse.uk/2025/05/16/oh-dear-here-we-go-again/#comment-1254</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2025 08:13:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Time for independent inquiry into bullying
Hinckley Times letter on 9 Jul 2025
A preacher asked me out. When i turned her down, the stalking began (BBC website 29.6.25) exposes alleged bullying cover-up in a Leicester Church of England parish. Should the current Bishop of Leicester
face a formal inquiry, or potentially even be asked to resign?
I am a retired medic and a parttime judge. I witnessed evidence of savage ill-treatment of ministry trainees in 2017. I reported this to bishops and archbishops. Eight years later there is no sign of any formal inquiry. Why did trainees on a ministry training course (overseen by the New Wine group and St John’s College Nottingham) face foul abuse?
Kangaroo court justice and DARVO [Deny-Attack-Reverse-Victim &#038; Offender] sees countless Anglican Church bullying victims dismissed as “troublemakers”. The need for fully independent bullying inquiry processes-not overseen by our bishops or dioceses-is plain to all: except perhaps for our Bishops and Archbishops!
James Hardy by email]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Time for independent inquiry into bullying<br />
Hinckley Times letter on 9 Jul 2025<br />
A preacher asked me out. When i turned her down, the stalking began (BBC website 29.6.25) exposes alleged bullying cover-up in a Leicester Church of England parish. Should the current Bishop of Leicester<br />
face a formal inquiry, or potentially even be asked to resign?<br />
I am a retired medic and a parttime judge. I witnessed evidence of savage ill-treatment of ministry trainees in 2017. I reported this to bishops and archbishops. Eight years later there is no sign of any formal inquiry. Why did trainees on a ministry training course (overseen by the New Wine group and St John’s College Nottingham) face foul abuse?<br />
Kangaroo court justice and DARVO [Deny-Attack-Reverse-Victim &amp; Offender] sees countless Anglican Church bullying victims dismissed as “troublemakers”. The need for fully independent bullying inquiry processes-not overseen by our bishops or dioceses-is plain to all: except perhaps for our Bishops and Archbishops!<br />
James Hardy by email</p>
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		By: jameshardy		</title>
		<link>https://churchabuse.uk/2025/05/16/oh-dear-here-we-go-again/#comment-1117</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2025 14:44:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[1) ‘File on 4 Investigates: Stalker in the Church’ *WORTH SHARING WIDELY?*

2) BBC 27.6.25 ‘Archbishop retires amid cathedral behaviour failings’. Church in Wales leader is gone.

3) ‘A preacher asked me out. When I turned her down, the stalking began’ BBC 29.6.25.

Joan Baez and ‘Where Have All the Flowers Gone?’ has this line: “When will they ever learn?”………………

Perhaps, never, in the case of our clay-footed and know-all Anglican Bishops and Archbishops……]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1) ‘File on 4 Investigates: Stalker in the Church’ *WORTH SHARING WIDELY?*</p>
<p>2) BBC 27.6.25 ‘Archbishop retires amid cathedral behaviour failings’. Church in Wales leader is gone.</p>
<p>3) ‘A preacher asked me out. When I turned her down, the stalking began’ BBC 29.6.25.</p>
<p>Joan Baez and ‘Where Have All the Flowers Gone?’ has this line: “When will they ever learn?”………………</p>
<p>Perhaps, never, in the case of our clay-footed and know-all Anglican Bishops and Archbishops……</p>
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		By: jameshardy		</title>
		<link>https://churchabuse.uk/2025/05/16/oh-dear-here-we-go-again/#comment-702</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2025 06:15:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://churchabuse.uk/2025/05/16/oh-dear-here-we-go-again/#comment-692&quot;&gt;Anne Hicks&lt;/a&gt;.

Yes! Please see my post below. An inability to deal with real villains is matched by attacking victims.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://churchabuse.uk/2025/05/16/oh-dear-here-we-go-again/#comment-692">Anne Hicks</a>.</p>
<p>Yes! Please see my post below. An inability to deal with real villains is matched by attacking victims.</p>
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		By: jameshardy		</title>
		<link>https://churchabuse.uk/2025/05/16/oh-dear-here-we-go-again/#comment-701</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2025 06:13:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://churchabuse.uk/2025/05/16/oh-dear-here-we-go-again/#comment-690&quot;&gt;Julian&lt;/a&gt;.

This is a problem across the whole Anglican Church in the UK. See my post below.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://churchabuse.uk/2025/05/16/oh-dear-here-we-go-again/#comment-690">Julian</a>.</p>
<p>This is a problem across the whole Anglican Church in the UK. See my post below.</p>
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		<link>https://churchabuse.uk/2025/05/16/oh-dear-here-we-go-again/#comment-700</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2025 06:12:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://churchabuse.uk/2025/05/16/oh-dear-here-we-go-again/#comment-691&quot;&gt;Clare Neville&lt;/a&gt;.

Exactly! This is what UK Anglicanism needs.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://churchabuse.uk/2025/05/16/oh-dear-here-we-go-again/#comment-691">Clare Neville</a>.</p>
<p>Exactly! This is what UK Anglicanism needs.</p>
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		By: james hardy		</title>
		<link>https://churchabuse.uk/2025/05/16/oh-dear-here-we-go-again/#comment-699</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2025 05:29:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The potential slow death of the UK Anglican Church is accelerated by the incompetence of Archbishops like the Church of Ireland&#039;s John McDowell. There is a great mass of evidence of abuse and bullying cover up in Down and Dromore Diocese not being addressed. &#039;Primate&#039; McDowell needs to stop his &#039;monkeying&#039; and fix up an independent inquiry into bullying and abuse cover-ups. 

I saw 2 out of 5 New Wine trainees in my ministry training group leave Down and Dromore Diocese. This was after a woeful failure to follow the clearest trail imaginable of bullying and harassment, with senior professional witness testimony not taken proper account of: a Cambridge-educated female professor, a senior schoolmistress, a recently retired medic. They witnessed a New Wine trainee cry for hours in my home immediately after emerging from a meeting with a New Wine course tutor. 

The middle-aged male victim was in floods of tears and claimed to have felt accused of adultery in foul language: &quot;Any of us might fancy a change of breasts&quot;. Should Bishop David McClay be asked to formally apologise to innocent people who felt unfairly hounded out of his diocese while he was Archdeacon, and unfairly accused of sexual misconduct in the crudest imaginable language? 

A further ex-New Wine student trainee features in this 30-1-22 posted &#039;Olive Tree Media&#039; film about growth and revival in a Down and Dromore parish in east Belfast: &#039;Karl Faase interviews Joe Turner for Jesus the Game Changer Season 2&#039; The opening scene has shocking images for a film about a UK Anglican parish [ ***It looks more like something from a promotional film about Hamas!***]. There is not much talk about this film by any Church of Ireland bishops or archbishops.

What else are you allowing to get hidden Archbishop McDowell, and do multiple victims of savage ill-treatment in Down and Dromore Diocese deserve an unreserved apology? Does a problem with New Wine ill-treatment of interns possibly extend far beyond Canon Mike Pilavachi MBE? I saw a disgraceful contempt for UK law and agreed Anglican Church principles, which was combined with blasphemous contempt for biblical principles of justice. A top flight senior Church leader, from outside the Anglican Church, intervened and pleaded with victims to rescue themselves from further risk of abuse by immediately leaving the Down and Dromore Diocese.

I am a retired NHS medic and presently serve as a judicial panel member. There is self-evidently kangaroo court justice at work in what I witnessed, with multiple innocent victims (business people or senior professionals) feeling unfairly accused of sexual misconduct. I have shared my concern with Bishop Joanne Grenfell, and specifically asked her to share my communications with Archbishop Cottrell. Alas, the Archbishop has failed to respond to me, in spite of clear requests for a personal response or acknowledgement. What a woeful lack of brains and manners! What chance do child, teenage or young adult victims have of a fair hearing, if senior professionals are ignored?

Archbishop Cottrell&#039;s presence on the Crown Nomination Board is a slap in the face to countless victims of ill-treatment. He should be forced to resign on account of the David Tudor scandal alone.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The potential slow death of the UK Anglican Church is accelerated by the incompetence of Archbishops like the Church of Ireland&#8217;s John McDowell. There is a great mass of evidence of abuse and bullying cover up in Down and Dromore Diocese not being addressed. &#8216;Primate&#8217; McDowell needs to stop his &#8216;monkeying&#8217; and fix up an independent inquiry into bullying and abuse cover-ups. </p>
<p>I saw 2 out of 5 New Wine trainees in my ministry training group leave Down and Dromore Diocese. This was after a woeful failure to follow the clearest trail imaginable of bullying and harassment, with senior professional witness testimony not taken proper account of: a Cambridge-educated female professor, a senior schoolmistress, a recently retired medic. They witnessed a New Wine trainee cry for hours in my home immediately after emerging from a meeting with a New Wine course tutor. </p>
<p>The middle-aged male victim was in floods of tears and claimed to have felt accused of adultery in foul language: &#8220;Any of us might fancy a change of breasts&#8221;. Should Bishop David McClay be asked to formally apologise to innocent people who felt unfairly hounded out of his diocese while he was Archdeacon, and unfairly accused of sexual misconduct in the crudest imaginable language? </p>
<p>A further ex-New Wine student trainee features in this 30-1-22 posted &#8216;Olive Tree Media&#8217; film about growth and revival in a Down and Dromore parish in east Belfast: &#8216;Karl Faase interviews Joe Turner for Jesus the Game Changer Season 2&#8217; The opening scene has shocking images for a film about a UK Anglican parish [ ***It looks more like something from a promotional film about Hamas!***]. There is not much talk about this film by any Church of Ireland bishops or archbishops.</p>
<p>What else are you allowing to get hidden Archbishop McDowell, and do multiple victims of savage ill-treatment in Down and Dromore Diocese deserve an unreserved apology? Does a problem with New Wine ill-treatment of interns possibly extend far beyond Canon Mike Pilavachi MBE? I saw a disgraceful contempt for UK law and agreed Anglican Church principles, which was combined with blasphemous contempt for biblical principles of justice. A top flight senior Church leader, from outside the Anglican Church, intervened and pleaded with victims to rescue themselves from further risk of abuse by immediately leaving the Down and Dromore Diocese.</p>
<p>I am a retired NHS medic and presently serve as a judicial panel member. There is self-evidently kangaroo court justice at work in what I witnessed, with multiple innocent victims (business people or senior professionals) feeling unfairly accused of sexual misconduct. I have shared my concern with Bishop Joanne Grenfell, and specifically asked her to share my communications with Archbishop Cottrell. Alas, the Archbishop has failed to respond to me, in spite of clear requests for a personal response or acknowledgement. What a woeful lack of brains and manners! What chance do child, teenage or young adult victims have of a fair hearing, if senior professionals are ignored?</p>
<p>Archbishop Cottrell&#8217;s presence on the Crown Nomination Board is a slap in the face to countless victims of ill-treatment. He should be forced to resign on account of the David Tudor scandal alone.</p>
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		By: Anne Hicks		</title>
		<link>https://churchabuse.uk/2025/05/16/oh-dear-here-we-go-again/#comment-692</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2025 06:53:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[My experience is that the safeguarding team has gone mad in disciplining members of the church who have received spurious trivial complaints.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My experience is that the safeguarding team has gone mad in disciplining members of the church who have received spurious trivial complaints.</p>
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		By: Clare Neville		</title>
		<link>https://churchabuse.uk/2025/05/16/oh-dear-here-we-go-again/#comment-691</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2025 17:10:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It’s disgusting !
How can we ever expect the next generation to 
walk forward into the Church of England,
It’s a sad sad situation and unless an independent group take over to sort this mess the abuse won’t stop.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It’s disgusting !<br />
How can we ever expect the next generation to<br />
walk forward into the Church of England,<br />
It’s a sad sad situation and unless an independent group take over to sort this mess the abuse won’t stop.</p>
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		By: Julian		</title>
		<link>https://churchabuse.uk/2025/05/16/oh-dear-here-we-go-again/#comment-690</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2025 13:26:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[As a member of the ISB Survivors Group and a Christian, I’m finding it increasingly impossible to engage with the Church of England. Trust has been shattered—again and again. I’ve lost count, but I think I’m on apology number 38 after enduring their broken, bureaucratic, and deeply flawed internal processes.

I’m still waiting for a scrap of scripture from them—something to justify their bizarre practices and corporate-style damage control that feels anything but Christlike. When—and if—the redress scheme ever materialises, I hope investigators scrutinise the files of the lawyers, civil servants, and insurers who worked harder to protect the Church’s reputation than to support those of us who came forward in pain.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a member of the ISB Survivors Group and a Christian, I’m finding it increasingly impossible to engage with the Church of England. Trust has been shattered—again and again. I’ve lost count, but I think I’m on apology number 38 after enduring their broken, bureaucratic, and deeply flawed internal processes.</p>
<p>I’m still waiting for a scrap of scripture from them—something to justify their bizarre practices and corporate-style damage control that feels anything but Christlike. When—and if—the redress scheme ever materialises, I hope investigators scrutinise the files of the lawyers, civil servants, and insurers who worked harder to protect the Church’s reputation than to support those of us who came forward in pain.</p>
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